Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

I agree.

4:00 AM

But the people I've dealt with aren't used to changing.

4:00 AM

I give the innocent a sword to be able to confront. And develop alternately from the host.

4:01 AM

I get attached to what peeps I make.

4:01 AM

Just ends up fight or death.

Atlas || M&M

I feel as though there's enough stress in life as it is for a tulpa to gradually be able to slowly understand the complexities of the human nature on their own. A new being is an innocent, often fragile thing, and I personally don't like causing them unnecessary fear right of the bat when they could just learn about it gradually.

Why not, off the bat? or why over time? (edited)

This is either cult stuff or a really weird attempt to troll.

Not an attempt to troll.

4:18 AM

Again, never been in a group like this.

4:18 AM

So I'd condsider myself and what I've done off the charts as the 'norm'.

4:19 AM

I want to learn more.

Well, my host is trying lots of different things as well to help me become developed, but he askes me a lot of my opinions on things and what I want to do! It's worked for us so far! I've discovered some things I like!

How'd our convo go?

7:13 AM

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Tewi: The Tulpa.info community doesn't generally recommend anything special past the basis of talking to your tulpa-to-be and expecting them to respond. Stuff like "Making them represent something/a part of you", "Sharing your energy with them", or whatever else is all completely optional and belief-based. On average, Tulpa.info has a psychological, non-metaphysical view of things, and we haven't found any special acts or symbolism to be necessary for the tulpa creation process, other than treating them as separate from you in some way. (edited)

12:28 PM

"Optional" stuff is still an option of course, generally whatever you think works best for you probably will.

12:28 PM

"Giving them fear of death" is a little weird though..

Reisen

Kind of unrelated to the point though - conscious intent is the best way to instruct people on how to make tulpas.

I have literally never recommended what I did as a good viable option, in fact I have actively been against it. However just because it’s not the best way to do something doesn’t mean it’s straight up not real. Intent, or even knowledge of tulpamancy, is not needed to make a tulpa. Is doing so gonna fuck you over, probably yes, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

I had never once spoke to Error, I was not friends with him in any way. I was at most just the middleman for him that allowed him to interact with other people. Other people who viewed him as a separate person, but I only viewed it as a cool roleplay concept. You can argue that I unconsciously viewed him as a separate person, I probably did, but that is not the same thing as intent. Why would I ever intentionally create another person who, at the time, I was genuinely fearful of? I just wanted to roleplay and the character I choose to use was an antagonistic asshole.

Rusty

You want a response, but that response doesn’t have to be to you, it can be a fictional situation or character. Intent to make the character a separate person is not a requirement.

Tewi: I might be (still) misinterpreting your initial message, because it really sounded like you just said you don't recommend the "hold intent for them to be separate" method I recommended and that it had more cons than pros. (edited)

Rusty

I don’t recommend this method, in my experience it causes much more cons than pros, however it is very much possible and fairly easy for a committed writer

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Rusty

I wouldn’t recommend making a tulpa from one of your characters unless you start off immediately taking away the attachment to the fictional backstory

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1:43 PM

This was just vague I guess.

Rusty

Making a tulpa whose whole life is within a fictional world can cause issues when you try to take them out of it

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Tewi: That part's unrelated? (edited)

1:44 PM

Anyways, I didn't mean to be adversarial, it just sounded like you showed up to say the method I recommended (which is truly at the core of tulpamancy) was bad, and that's where my responses were coming from. (edited)

I have never in this server ever recommended what I did as a good option, I have said many, many times how much it fucked over everyone in my system. It’s not a good method, but it is a method that does exist.

1:47 PM

There are a few statements that people make that they say like everyone agrees with it and it’s a fact when it very much isn’t a fact. The two big ones are “intent is required” and “tulpas are distinctly different from alters because alters come from trauma and tulpas don’t”

1:48 PM

Then there is me, someone who didn’t intend to make tulpas but did so anyway in a response to trauma to try to avoid the things happening around me

labels labels…

Basically the only thing you need to make a tulpa is repeated prompting for a response and a semi consistent basic personality. Although they don’t truly become a “full fledged” tulpa until you have them interact with the outside world as a separate person from you. I do believe that a lot of very well developed characters are a form of tulpa. I don’t have a name for them, but there is a type of thoughtform between character and tulpa. (edited)

mh, big agree on that one. we have one knocking around in this head right now. don't know what to make of him...

Just because you have a very tulpa like character does not mean you have to treat them like a tulpa. You have control over that. If I gave every single thing in my head the privileges of a tulpa it would be hell because there would be like 10+ of them

4:04 PM

Probably more

yep. i'm happy with our current party size, so to speak

I have only two tulpas and I’m not sure how people cope with more

Nico

I have only two tulpas and I’m not sure how people cope with more

Depends on what type of relationship and expectations you have for your tulpas...

Well the more tulpas you have, I think the harder it is to give individual attention to each one

We dont crave individual attention, we dont even interact much with each other anymore, just some casual interactions throughout the day and we switch a couple of times.

7:39 PM

We all enjoy together, there is no need to share or organize the time between us.

7:40 PM

Thats what i mean with relationship or expectations...

7:41 PM

If you expect to share evenly the time and you expect your tulpas not to be able to enjoy if they dont get their share then of course it becomes increasingly difficult to manage, but those are not necessary things, they are self-imposed restrictions...

7:42 PM

None of us will ask for more time or get "bored" or "bad" for "not getting enough time".

Yk, ive come to the realization that we probably proxy instead of switch

berockly (TTG)

Yk, ive come to the realization that we probably proxy instead of switch

Its all the same, call it as you will.

8:06 PM

You were switching until you "realized" its not actually a switch but a proxy apparently.

8:08 PM

Experiences in tulpamancy are so diverse and inconsistent that the differece between those 2 concepts is probably less clear than the differences in switching experiences across individuals, rendering those concepts basically meaningless... If it works it works...

Tewi: Switching should generally be practiced and familiarized doing many activities other than just typing. Switching only to type is extremely overkill. (edited)

I honestly don’t like how full switching makes me feel. Haven’t done it in years. Proxy and co-con are fine. The most interaction happens on the inside for us. But I know it varies for everyone

I see noone listened to me

Tewi: Just giving my own advice. It shouldn't be possible to mix the two up if you practice it sanely, but switching just to type is kind of not that. (edited)

8:16 PM

If you switch to perform various activities, there's a lot more going on in your head that would make it much clearer that you're switched, but getting no feedback (because really, typing on Discord is probably brain-off 99% of the time) can make switching-or-not pretty blurry.

Does switching generaly require effort?

8:17 PM

I dont see why would it be overkill if not...

Tewi: Depends on how good the system is at it, but it still is overkill. (edited)

8:17 PM

Like getting in your car to cross to the other side of the street, or something.

Reisen

If you switch to perform various activities, there's a lot more going on in your head that would make it much clearer that you're switched, but getting no feedback (because really, typing on Discord is probably brain-off 99% of the time) can make switching-or-not pretty blurry.

"Making it more clear that you switched" that means, its your perception that makes it switching or whatever else...

Reisen

Tewi: Depends on how good the system is at it, but it still is overkill. (edited)

Overkill would be using an innecesarily costly solution for a problem with a much less costly one.

Tewi: I'm not discussing defining switching right now, I get your point but that's a bit much for the simple advice I'm giving (edited)

What i mean is that the differece between A and B is just on what you want to see it as.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You were switching until you "realized" its not actually a switch but a proxy apparently.

whay i do know is that i do it differently then a lot of other people that i know

Tewi: That's a pretty gross oversimplification, equating switching with proxying. (edited)

Reisen

Tewi: I'm not discussing defining switching right now, I get your point but that's a bit much for the simple advice I'm giving (edited)

For us switching is just: someone gets an urge/desire to do something, takes over and does whatever, the otherones in the system understand that urge and thus agree by default. (edited)

Reisen

Tewi: That's a pretty gross oversimplification, equating switching with proxying. (edited)

What is the difference? the level of presence of the host? That seems kinda arbitrary to me...

We don't really care if its proxying, possession or switching, it honestly doesn't matter. If someone is able to type or talk no one cares how its done.

Tewi: Switching can be streamlined in a system (though many prefer to keep it slower or even ritualized, forever), but ease of switching has nothing to do with proxying. (edited)

What is the precise difference?

Proxying can turn into possession on accident very easily

8:21 PM

honestly, it helps possession

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

What is the precise difference?

The label you put to whoever is fronting, just that... Thats the only difference, you decide to see it as "its me fronting but im proxying them" or "its just them typing". Just narrative.

Tewi: You can't just turn tulpamancy into a soup of "it is do" just because you're already familiar with all sorts of concepts and possibilities in your head. We need definitions and clear experiences to convey to teach people who don't already know. (edited)

Reisen

Tewi: Switching should generally be practiced and familiarized doing many activities other than just typing. Switching only to type is extremely overkill. (edited)

I think its similar to proxying

Proxying is typing what your systemmate is saying in your head for them..

Reisen

Tewi: You can't just turn tulpamancy into a soup of "it is do" just because you're already familiar with all sorts of concepts and possibilities in your head. We need definitions and clear experiences to convey to teach people who don't already know. (edited)

Those definitions is what get in the way of progress by setting expectations of levels of difficulty.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

For us switching is just: someone gets an urge/desire to do something, takes over and does whatever, the otherones in the system understand that urge and thus agree by default. (edited)

This is abt how it feels

Tewi: A sandcastle is much nicer with a bunch of strictly defined faces and edges than a pile of sand you loosely defined as technically a sandcastle. (edited)

Its a very fluid thing

That narrative you decide to teach or impose on everyone doing the practice through your arbitrary definitions really does nothing good.

We are switched because we believe we are

Reisen

Tewi: A sandcastle is much nicer with a bunch of strictly defined faces and edges than a pile of sand you loosely defined as technically a sandcastle. (edited)

You might have a really beautiful sandcastle but my pile of sand takes whatever shape i want whenever i want it. (edited)

Though, i dont change much during it, thats less true for discord typing, its hard to stay switched while doing other things that require a lot of brain function

What exactly is a tulpa?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You might have a really beautiful sandcastle but my pile of sand takes whatever shape i want whenever i want it. (edited)

Right now it took a snowflake shape!

Im unsure what proxying is

berockly (TTG)

Im unsure what proxying is

You dont need to know

From my understanding it just seems like the "darkness" or "unconscious"

berockly (TTG)

Im unsure what proxying is

Tewi: Typing for your tulpa what they say in your head. Very simple. (edited)

I dont need tulpas either, but i want them

Reisen

Tewi: Typing for your tulpa what they say in your head. Very simple. (edited)

Well then i definitely dont proxy, and never have

entertain,me 😎

What exactly is a tulpa?

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I have relayed messages (the same thing essentially) but in the third person

entertain,me 😎

From my understanding it just seems like the "darkness" or "unconscious"

Tewi: Weird common misconception, that tulpas have to represent some part of your mind. A tulpa is just a person you create in your mind through intentful separation and belief, practiced over time until they're consistent and speak/act without feeling like you were responsible for what they said/did at all. (edited)

So consciousness?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You dont need to know

I can even switch woth brand new tulpas

We should probably get a glossary of terms to display on this server somewhere, if people don't even know what "proxy" means anymore.

I didn’t think proxying wasn’t a recent term anymore

entertain,me 😎

So consciousness?

Tewi: People debate on the exact nature of tulpas, whether they're independently "conscious" from the host, or if they and the host just share one consciousness. While I believe in the latter, there is still undoubtedly unconscious processing in the brain of tulpas' thoughts that the host isn't directly aware of. Whether that's "A whole other consciousness" (which.. I don't think at all) or just unconscious processes in the brain is basically up to individual belief. (edited)

berockly (TTG)

I can even switch woth brand new tulpas

I think you have a dangerously loose idea of what a tulpa is

Or, maybe its closer to possession?